Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd Path: pa.dec.com!decwrl!uunet!uunet!karels From: karels@BSDI.COM (Mike Karels) Subject: Re: Jolitz: The Road Not Taken Message-ID: <1992Mar23.214834.7381@uunet.uu.net> Summary: Roads that were taken Keywords: 386BSD, Jolitz, motivation Sender: usenet@uunet.uu.net (UseNet News) Nntp-Posting-Host: bsdi.com Organization: Berkeley Software Design, Inc. References: <579@svcs1.UUCP> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1992 21:48:34 GMT I wish it were not necessary for me to reply to the recent posting made on behalf of Bill Jolitz ("The Road Not Taken"), but given the nature of the comments about me, my past relationship with Bill, and my work, I am compelled to respond. I do not understand Bill's complaint with CSRG, with me or with BSDI, nor do I understand why he is now saying the things that he is. The recent posting is not at all an accurate reflection of past events. I do not want to correct it point by point, as I will not continue this argument in a public forum. However, there is nothing for which I should apologize. I have not lied to Bill or other friends, and I have not asked anyone to act unethically or immorally. Bill was a founder of BSDI as well as its first full-time paid employee; he can hardly be surprised that BSDI is selling a supported system based on the freely available Berkeley code, of which he contributed the 386 port. I did not exert pressure on Bill to work for BSDI, although I did introduce him to the other founders. When he became unhappy working for BSDI, I had a number of long conversations with him about the problems. Although I never fully understood the problems, his complaints centered on business and personal relationships within the company rather than the fact that the company planned to charge for its product. Bill's complaints about CSRG are unjustified, and only originated in January after I decided to leave Berkeley to work for BSDI. CSRG released all of the code contributed by Bill in source form. His complaint is the lack of a supported binary release from the University. However, Berkeley releases have never been supported in the normal commercial sense, and have never been packaged and documented for easy installation on machines as diverse as 386 AT systems. While I was in CSRG, we never considered doing another binary release after NET2 until the alpha release of 4.4BSD. Although the NET2 release contained most of the BSD kernel, several critical modules were missing because they were derived from licensed code. CSRG could have taken the shortest path to filling in those modules, but those modules were among the oldest in the kernel. Rather than reimplementing those pieces as they had been, CSRG chose to redesign them properly, which is in progress. I regret that this disagreement was made public at USENIX and in this news group. I will not continue this discussion in public. Mike Karels Berkeley Software Design, Inc. karels@BSDI.COM